Gandeto

The world is simply tired of their fake concern about the name. It is amply transparent that their crocodile tears about the name are just a front to blur and deflect the real attention from the gist of their crime; the continuous denial of existence of ethnic Macedonians living in Greece whose human rights are being daily violated and whose existence as people is being threatened. That is the real issue with Greece today. These ethnic Macedonians are the real thorn in Greece´s behind because they expose and reveal to the world that democracy in Greece is a total farce. The inhumane treatment of the Macedonian minority in Greece is slowly but gradually emerging as a colossal problem for them that must be addressed sooner than later.

This should give you another clue that Macedonia was never a part of Greece. A case can be made in the opposite direction of Greek city-states being conquered and incorporated (but not integrated) into the Macedonian Empire. It is demonstrably obvious that Greeks in the Diaspora in general and those of you still living in Greece in particular, will experience difficulties in digesting and accepting evidence as reported by neutral and objective sources. It is called "truth" that comes untarnished, uncorrupted and unbiased; an esoteric entity for many Greeks; stuff that many of you are not accustomed to receiving and arguably, due to brainwashing, show complete disdain in accepting it.

Doc. 41 Memorandum on the Ancient Boundaries of Greece _____________________________________________________ By Major J.C. Ardagh, C.B., R.E. – (Received at the Foreign Office, February 24th, 1881.) The Ancient Boundaries of Greece As the claims of the Greeks to an extension of territories are in some degree based upon the limits of the ancient Greece, I conceived that an examination of the early Greek geographers would throw some light upon them, and I have been able to procure, and annex extracts from them in Greek with translations. Strabo, Scylax, Dichaerchus, Scymnus, and Dionysius all concur in making Greece commence at the Ambracian Gulf, and terminate at the river Peneus. The catalogue of the ships in the Iliad, the various lists of the Amphictyonic tribes, the states engaged in the Peloponnesian war, the travels of Anacharsis , the description of Greece by Pausanias, and the natural history of Pliny—all give proof of the same fact, by positive or negative evidence; nor have I found anywhere a suggestion that Epirus was Greek, except that Dodona, the great oracle, though situated amid barbarians, was a Greek institution, and the legend that the Molossian Kings were of the house of Aeacidae. When Epirus first became powerful, 280 B.C., Greece had long been under the complete ascendency of the Macedonians, and after the fall of the Empire at the battle of Pydna, 168 B.C., it became a Roman province in 148 B.C. The establishment of Greek independence in 1832 was exactly 2,000 years after the battle of Pydna.

While I can understand, and to a certain degree agree with people who maintain opposite views on various controversial subjects depicted and presented in a given book, I am quite puzzled and totally lost for words as to why anybody would object to a dictionary. Dictionary´s main purpose—there is no hidden agenda here—is to be used for practical means—facilitation of communication and improved understanding.

In the following passage from Deodorus, we find that even the sufferings inflicted on Greeks by other Greeks bear different weight and are easier to endure than the sufferings inflicted by people of different race and origin. The ´suffering´ caused by the Macedonians, in this case a non-Greek people, is obviously not only not acceptable, but poignantly degrading. The exclusion of Macedonians from the Hellenes is evident, and the under-current of hate is noticeable.

In haste to build and instill into this bewildered hodgepodge of leftover Balkanites—Slavs, Albanians, Gypsies and Vlachs—a new Greek identity, these idealistic westerners forgot to install a safety valve for the inflated Greek ego. The negative repercussions from this oversight have proven to be unmanageable, deleterious and quite pricy for Europe today. As a result, today´s average Greek fellow thinks and acts as if he is the greatest gift to mankind. To him, the opinion of the other fellow does not matter; he has the truth grabbed by the tail and others should obediently follow his views. He believes and—accordingly behaves—that his intellect is far superior to that of his neighbors and that he, by right of birth (inheritance in this case), should rule over the others. Legal, moral or ethical issues and potential obstacles of a greater or lesser significance that might impede this injected transformation, must be dealt with accordingly—ignore the critics and blindly push forward. The operative thought (stuck in overdrive) is "they ought to see it our way"- as if to say: It ought to be sufficient; I am descendent from the ancient Greeks.(1)

What the Greeks, the Bulgars and the Serbs, could not accomplish through the schools and the churches, they, the Greeks, the Bulgars and the Serbs, partially or fully accomplished with their rifles, knives and bombs. In other words the Serbs, the Bulgars and the Greeks, killed indiscriminately anyone who would stand on their ghastly path.

You have clearly, and to your own detriment, underestimated our Macedonian resolve; even if our Republic gives in, under pressure from the West, and accepts modification of our constitutional name, rest assured that we, in the Diaspora, will remain steadfast in our fight for justice and will relinquish neither our name, nor our dignity and definitely not our self-identity as ethnic Macedonians. There will be other battles to follow. With your incessant lies and fabrications you have made us much stronger and more resilient than ever before. You have not seen the real fighting Macedonian yet.

Greece´s desire to wipe-out any trace of the Macedonians has been going on for a long protracted time; her crimes against Macedonians cannot be described in a single page, single chapter or a single book. Her attitude towards the Macedonians, her political and civil behavior and her inhumane conduct towards the Macedonians is, by any modern definition, racism and has reached the pinnacle of hate that one country can have, harbor and direct against another people.

Mr. President what we really hope you do, is not to act like the rest of the politicians, but stay true to your God given wisdom and tell these Greeks to take a hike. Tell them to stop oppressing other people; tell them to stop their discriminations against other ethnic groups living in Greece. Ask them why they have forbidden their ethnic Macedonians living in Greece from using their own mother´s tongue. Ask them why they persecute people for identifying themselves as ethnic Macedonians? Ask them how come there are no ethnic minorities in Greece? And finally, Mr. President, ask them to stop their racist assimilatory policies against the ethnic Macedonians.

Taking a stand on politically very sensitive matters with profound human rights consequences requires both a thorough background research of the issue at hand and an even greater analysis of the potential risks that may precipitate from such an act. Historical issues with political connotations and overtones are the most controversial; the fallout from such an explosive mixture may not only be catastrophic for one party but at the same time it may have ruinous self trepidations for the other. Seeking self aggrandizement at someone else´s expense is a sign of a desperate state of affairs; either your arguments do not hold any water or the water from your arguments had promptly evaporated.

Furthermore, ask your beloved teachers whether they are familiar with Greece´s treatment of the ethnic Macedonians living in Greece? Do they know that Greece does not recognize these people as such? Do they care if their signature is encouraging the Greek government to continue with its cultural and ethnic genocide of the ethnic Macedonians? Do they know that Greece obtained Macedonian territory for the first time in 1912 with the Balkan Wars? Please ask them, if by signing a petition, they care if they support and promote ethnic discrimination, racist policies and hatred?

All of you signatories—who suffer from amnesia-plagued human rights issues—should be taken to Greece on a fact finding mission and forced to observe for yourselves the discrimination, the persecutions and the cultural degradation inflicted on the ethnic Macedonians living in Greece. By attaching your signature to that worthless piece of garbage, you not only sided with the racist, bigoted Greek regime, but you also approved of their hated, gruesome inhumane practices. Shame on all of you, heartless invertebrates.

I challenge all those university professors who have signed Professor Stephen G. Miller´s petition—helping Greece in the dispute about the name with the Republic of Macedonia—to be sent to President Obama, to explain Diodorus´ passage and provide plausible rationale or justification for their position. I would like to know how and at whose expense this alleged Greekness of the ancient Macedonians will come from. For, without an outright corruption of the existing evidence, no other conclusion is possible.

Instead of denying the ethnic Macedonians their rightful place in your society, you should apologize to them and embrace them as your own. Instead of hiding behind some convoluted interpretations of nebulously worded paragraphs found in some forgotten treaties, you should welcome them in your fold as equals.

You have nothing to do with the ancient Greeks; you are an embarrassment to them. Do not attach your ugly selves to anything Macedonian.

No mainland Greek ever held a satrapy in Alexander's empire; no Athenian, no Spartan, no Theban, no Phocian, no Argive no Corinthian…None, zero, zilch, nada, nula.

So, where in the world is this "Panhellenic crusade"? Where is this Greek army? Where are the Greek commanders, soldiers, etc, etc,. If this was a "Panhellenic crusade" as they would like us to believe, where did the spoils of victory go? Not Athens for sure. The truth is that there was no Greek army with Alexander. There was no Greek crusade, and certainly, there was nothing Greek with the Ancient Macedonians.

The whole story is wrapped with cumbersome appendages that make it look very insecure. And insecure it is, invented by Alexander himself, or someone in his court in charge of "publicity-damage-control department. Alexander I, was a shrewd politician indeed; he must have said to himself: the Persians would be gone from here, and the business was going great while it lasted, now, it´s time to mend the fences with your neighbors who would always be here.

One should not be surprised when Greeks attack anything found in print that does not coincide with their pre-programmed government´s agenda. Indeed, their track record is as dependable as the saliva produced by the dogs in the Pavlov´s experiment. They are being conditioned to respond—like sharks to blood in water—to anything that runs contrary to their school imbued "purity of greekness". And in the process, they are not being constrained by any scientific norms and principles—which they hold others responsible to—but plunge forward with their version of the truth—read lies and distortions—as if they are the ones holding the high moral grounds from where they can dispense it as they see fit.

It is morally wrong, ethically inadmissible and scientifically incorrect to lump the ancient Macedonians under Greek umbrella, simply, because today´s Greece—the creation of the western powers—enjoys sentimental support of many western intellectuals. Truth does not need lobbyists. Truth is not a tradable commodity and cannot be conditionally used and selectively applied. Appropriation of Macedonian history is not an acceptable act; portraying ancient Macedonians as Greeks is an outright fabrication.

Alexander was the captain general of all the Hellenes after he taught Thebes a terrible lesson ((Diod. 17.4.4-6): thousands dead, thousands sold into slavery and the city, the most venerated city in Greek history, raised to the ground. Only then, the Greeks lined up behind the captain general at Corinth.

Note: Passages of this magnitude serve only one purpose: to illustrate the obvious that ancient Macedonians had nothing in common with the ancient Greeks. These were two distinctly different people with much different agendas and purpose in life. Macedonians were soldiers first and foremost who spoke with the spear. Greece was a conquered territory won by the Macedonian spear, period. No further elaboration is necessary.

Finally we should ask the following: whom would you believe: (a) a Greek with a political agenda and an ethnic axe to grind or (b) the words of an ancient King from Macedon who tells you that his ancestors Philip and his son Alexander the Great conquered the Greeks and sent them under the Macedonian yoke?

Consequently Mr. Miller, and in lieu of so many incontrovertible documents in support of the fact that Ancient Macedonians were just that—Macedonians, we must strongly object to your assertions and take your insults in stride. The Archeology Magazine and Archeological Institute of America will continue to thrive with or without your biased and condescending invectives about the Macedonian people in the Republic of Macedonia and the rest of the Macedonians, here in the Diaspora.

The ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians is neither the subject nor the business of the modern Greeks to be concerned about. Ancient Macedonians left their mark in history as Macedonians and any attempt to subvert and corrupt the legacy of this famous legendary people is nothing less than a total fabrication and rape of historical evidence and hijacking of the world´s cultural inheritance. Every learned person in the world should raise his/her voice against such an immoral act of brutality.

Ancient Macedonians were simply a different race from the Greeks. You Greeks should look for sameness among the Medes with whom you shared many comforts in the past. Macedonians are an esoteric notion for you Greeks. Only through corruption and fabrication can you make some inroads for now, but eventually, the ultimate victory is reserved for the true inheritors of the ancient Macedonians. You Greeks are temporary impostors. Even if you win the battle with the Republic of Macedonia, rest assured that the world at large will expunge your poisonous Hellenic racist tentacles from the realm of the Macedonians.

It is high noon for all of you propagandists to terminate your illusory thinking that ancient Macedonians were Greeks. You can bully the Republic of Macedonia but you will never, I repeat never, be able to fool the American and the Australian public. Ancient Macedonians were what they said they were—Macedonians.

It is an illusion to think that ancient Macedonians were Greeks.

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