Answer to Risto Stefov, #1
Istor the Macedonian
March 23, 2009
This article is an answer to Risto Stefov´s article entitled "Modern Greece and the Macedonian Heritage – Part 12 – Is there a Misunderstanding?» and published here: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/95448 Please, read that article and this answer in parallel.
About names we Greeks have for SlavoSkopians: First it is well known and accepted by all World, including SlavoSkopians, that we Greeks cannot call them Macedonians because the last 3000 years we have this name for the Greeks of Macedonia. Second, we have asked SlavoSkopians many times to tell us a name we should call them after. They avoided answering. So, we are free to use any name, except humiliating ones: SlavoSkopians.
We don´t deny ethnic identity of any one. We deny to any non-Greek people the monopolization of the name of Macedonia. We have no problem with SlavoSkopians´ identity. We have big problem with the name they want for that identity. I am sure that they themselves have big problems with our Macedonian identity. That´s why they distort Macedonian history. The fact that Macedonians have always been Greeks is obvious. Only some SlavoSkopian propagandists attempt to turn SlavoSkopians as blind as to negate it. What did Macedonians forget to do in order to convince World that they were Greeks? What did SlavoSkopian heroes forget to do in order to convince World that they were Bulgarians? http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/92469
Modern Greeks are as Greek as ancient ones. Blood and dna are not related to ethnicity, at least within a race. Whoever claims the opposite is racist by definition. Anyway, if SlavoSkopians allow us Greeks controlling their education system as Tito did we will call them Macedonians. We will not change their blood! Promise!
That 106841 decree, refereed by Risto, is about citizenship, not ethnicity. Greek state believes that whoever had Greek parents had Greek "education" within family and feels Greek. Ethnicity is not legalism; citizenship is.
SlavoSkopian refugees of Greek Civil War times are NOT political refugees. It is well known to the World and SlavoSkopians that they did not fight to change the regime in Greece but to annex Greek Macedonia to Yugoslavia and slavicize both Macedonia and Macedonians. So, they wanted to change the borders and the Greekness of Greece. It is obvious that this is what SlavoSkopians are still wanting. They have no other reason to insist to be named just Macedonians.
Yes mr Risto. Whoever feels Greek can be Greek ethnically. As Loring Danforth said " I belong to an ethnic group if I want it and they accept me". So, if a group of white human beens speak Greek and teach Greek to their pupils then they are accepted as Greeks by the big majority of Greeks. Be sure that Alexander the Great had no dna test to recognize Macedonian soldiers. Nor a tape to measure their penises´ length as lady Aleksovska pathetically did in a recent article. ( http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/95012 ). There is a second crucial term in ethnicity´s "definition" by Danforth. So, whoever likes to be Macedonian shall be accepted as such by us Macedonians. If you SlavoSkopians want to be and be called Macedonians you must speak and teach Greek to your children.
If Alexander was Macedonian then Dame Gruev wasn´t and you SlavoSkopian are not. There is nothing Macedonian on you. Actually, you are obviously Bulgarians.
We are as Greek as ancient Greeks, because we feel Greeks and we make those feelings visible for we have Greek names, toponyms, ways, heroes, language and pride for glorious and famous times of Greek history, esp for that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World. On the other hand, you SlavoSkopians are not Macedonians for the same reasons. There is nothing Macedonian on you. In fact, you are ashamed of that campaign because it was Greek. You are the death of Macedonia: http://www.network54.com/Forum/415923/message/1129231616 Two persons from different ethnic groups have the same feelings but for different reasons and things. A Macedonian feels proud of that campaign, a SlavoSkopian feels proud of Dame Gruev (because SlavoSkopians intentionally ignore that he was Bulgarian). We feel pride when reading passage 5 from http://www.starkrealities.com/fortune.html. You feel shame for that. And finally, if you SlavoSkopians are Macedonians then Turks are Yunanis. http://www.network54.com/Forum/418823/message/1205065480
Would you care about Greece if we wanted to call it Macedonia? Sign a declaration in UN that you have no problem with that. Anyway, as Greeks, we do care about Macedonian name, fame and glory and we cannot allow you monopolizing them. This does prove that we are Greeks.
Macedonia (proper) is in Greece because of the will and blood of Macedonians. Greece is not GP as to occupy foreign lands. In contrary, we have lost many regions inhabited by Greeks esp at the beginning of 20th c. Pelagonia, Eastern Roumelia, Eastern Thrace, Ionia, Pontos, ….
Is there any non "artificial" identity, bre Risto? Yours, maybe? hahahahahahahaha! Give us a break, please!
Dear Greeks, it is obvious that SlavoSkopians have realized that they are not ethnically related to Macedonians, that´s why they attempt relating themselves to Macedonians racially and misrelating us from Greeks.
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek.
istorm@freemail.gr
About names we Greeks have for SlavoSkopians: First it is well known and accepted by all World, including SlavoSkopians, that we Greeks cannot call them Macedonians because the last 3000 years we have this name for the Greeks of Macedonia. Second, we have asked SlavoSkopians many times to tell us a name we should call them after. They avoided answering. So, we are free to use any name, except humiliating ones: SlavoSkopians.
We don´t deny ethnic identity of any one. We deny to any non-Greek people the monopolization of the name of Macedonia. We have no problem with SlavoSkopians´ identity. We have big problem with the name they want for that identity. I am sure that they themselves have big problems with our Macedonian identity. That´s why they distort Macedonian history. The fact that Macedonians have always been Greeks is obvious. Only some SlavoSkopian propagandists attempt to turn SlavoSkopians as blind as to negate it. What did Macedonians forget to do in order to convince World that they were Greeks? What did SlavoSkopian heroes forget to do in order to convince World that they were Bulgarians? http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/92469
Modern Greeks are as Greek as ancient ones. Blood and dna are not related to ethnicity, at least within a race. Whoever claims the opposite is racist by definition. Anyway, if SlavoSkopians allow us Greeks controlling their education system as Tito did we will call them Macedonians. We will not change their blood! Promise!
That 106841 decree, refereed by Risto, is about citizenship, not ethnicity. Greek state believes that whoever had Greek parents had Greek "education" within family and feels Greek. Ethnicity is not legalism; citizenship is.
SlavoSkopian refugees of Greek Civil War times are NOT political refugees. It is well known to the World and SlavoSkopians that they did not fight to change the regime in Greece but to annex Greek Macedonia to Yugoslavia and slavicize both Macedonia and Macedonians. So, they wanted to change the borders and the Greekness of Greece. It is obvious that this is what SlavoSkopians are still wanting. They have no other reason to insist to be named just Macedonians.
Yes mr Risto. Whoever feels Greek can be Greek ethnically. As Loring Danforth said " I belong to an ethnic group if I want it and they accept me". So, if a group of white human beens speak Greek and teach Greek to their pupils then they are accepted as Greeks by the big majority of Greeks. Be sure that Alexander the Great had no dna test to recognize Macedonian soldiers. Nor a tape to measure their penises´ length as lady Aleksovska pathetically did in a recent article. ( http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/95012 ). There is a second crucial term in ethnicity´s "definition" by Danforth. So, whoever likes to be Macedonian shall be accepted as such by us Macedonians. If you SlavoSkopians want to be and be called Macedonians you must speak and teach Greek to your children.
If Alexander was Macedonian then Dame Gruev wasn´t and you SlavoSkopian are not. There is nothing Macedonian on you. Actually, you are obviously Bulgarians.
We are as Greek as ancient Greeks, because we feel Greeks and we make those feelings visible for we have Greek names, toponyms, ways, heroes, language and pride for glorious and famous times of Greek history, esp for that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World. On the other hand, you SlavoSkopians are not Macedonians for the same reasons. There is nothing Macedonian on you. In fact, you are ashamed of that campaign because it was Greek. You are the death of Macedonia: http://www.network54.com/Forum/415923/message/1129231616 Two persons from different ethnic groups have the same feelings but for different reasons and things. A Macedonian feels proud of that campaign, a SlavoSkopian feels proud of Dame Gruev (because SlavoSkopians intentionally ignore that he was Bulgarian). We feel pride when reading passage 5 from http://www.starkrealities.com/fortune.html. You feel shame for that. And finally, if you SlavoSkopians are Macedonians then Turks are Yunanis. http://www.network54.com/Forum/418823/message/1205065480
Would you care about Greece if we wanted to call it Macedonia? Sign a declaration in UN that you have no problem with that. Anyway, as Greeks, we do care about Macedonian name, fame and glory and we cannot allow you monopolizing them. This does prove that we are Greeks.
Macedonia (proper) is in Greece because of the will and blood of Macedonians. Greece is not GP as to occupy foreign lands. In contrary, we have lost many regions inhabited by Greeks esp at the beginning of 20th c. Pelagonia, Eastern Roumelia, Eastern Thrace, Ionia, Pontos, ….
Is there any non "artificial" identity, bre Risto? Yours, maybe? hahahahahahahaha! Give us a break, please!
Dear Greeks, it is obvious that SlavoSkopians have realized that they are not ethnically related to Macedonians, that´s why they attempt relating themselves to Macedonians racially and misrelating us from Greeks.
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek.
istorm@freemail.gr
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