Modern Greece and the Macedonian Heritage Part 25 Reacting to Rumours
Risto Stefov
June 21, 2009
Ever since this so-called "name dispute" was invented by Greece there has been no rest or peace for the Macedonian people. The "name dispute", believe it or not, is not a dispute about "The Name" but a dispute that threatens to destroy the very existence of the Macedonian identity. Every Macedonian, particularly those from Greece, knows this and feels itīs their duty as Macedonians to protect their name. They believe, and rightfully so, that if the name is changed in any way everything that is Macedonian will cease to exist and Greece will make sure of that. No wonder every time there is mention of a "solution" found or a rumour spread about the "name dispute" Macedonians freak out and become terrified half to death. Greece and the Greeks know this, which is why they waste no opportunity to spread rumours every chance they get! I know this because I get frantic calls from people wanting to know if this time the rumours are true. This has happened over a hundred times in the last four years alone. So I would like to offer my two cents worth.
First and foremost Macedonians must stop reacting to rumours. As the saying goes "fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me!" We canīt help how Greeks conduct their business but we can sure help how we conduct ours. Which means, as a rule, we should never "overreact" to "stories" that are not verified. And how can we "verify" stories? Well here is where I am going to make my second suggestion! Given how rumours are generated and circulated by those who benefit from them and given how Macedonians react to rumours, especially rumours about the name of their country and their identity, itīs time that the Macedonian Government "does something" to "manage" rumours. Given that most of these rumours "implicate" the Macedonian Government of "wrong doing" and given how Macedonians react to them, itīs time for the Macedonian Government to open some communication channels with its people and openly respond to its citizenīs concerns, particularly to those citizens who work for the media. Rumours and all other concerns that "drive Macedonians insane" can be put to rest simply by creating an e-mail address to take questions and a blog to post responses. Then those who have concerns can contact the government directly and get straight answers directly from the government and not from rumours circulated by our enemies.
People have certain expectations from their government and if those expectations are not managed properly, or not at all, misunderstanding can arise and lead to speculation and wrong conclusions. Like I said above, we canīt help how our "enemies" conduct their business but we certainly can help how we conduct ours.
Regarding the "name issue"; if the Government wants to be at peace with the people who elected it then it must follow what the people want and, from what I know so far to this day, the vast majority of Macedonians who feel and identify as Macedonians do not want the name touched and want the Macedonian government to break off talks with the Greeks and all other parties concerned. The name of this country is not negotiable. The name is not only historical and biblical but it is closely linked to the Macedonian peopleīs identity and history. A change in the name will lead Macedonia down the slippery slope of permanent extinction not only of the name but of the Macedonian identity itself. Just look at what happened in 1912 and 1913. We have living examples of what happened then and this was done "without" the Macedonian peopleīs participation. Imagine now what devastating effects it will have if we "voluntarily" change our name! How can history, past generations who gave their lives for Macedonia and future generations who will never be born Macedonian, ever forgive us if we rob them of their true identity? And what exactly will we be doing this for? What possible gains could we expect to receive for selling out our identity and our childrenīs future? And how would history and those who died for Macedonia label us for doing this?
In all seriousness we should not even joke about changing our countryīs name. In fact we shouldnīt even be thinking about it because such an act is unthinkable. We all by now must understand that Greece and Europe have been planning our demise since 1878 and want us nothing less than extinct. The very same people who designed Nazism and launched Germany to dominate the world created Hellenism and launched the neo-Greeks to destroy Macedonia and erase it from the face of the earth. So far they have destroyed Aegean Macedonia, donīt give them the chance to destroy the rest!
The very name "Macedonia" is a threat to Europe for many reasons, which I will not get into at this time, but most importantly everyone must understand that if we "give in", even a tiny little bit on the name, it means that we can be pushed to "give in" more, to acquiesce, to capitulate, to surrender on other things and they will push us to do this again and again until there is nothing more to "give" and there will be nothing left of Macedonia or the Macedonian people as identities. And who will we be then? And most importantly with what we will be laying claim to our fatherland, to our heritage for which our recent ancestors spilled their blood to protect and preserve for us?
In the past they encouraged us to "become" Greeks, Serbians and Bulgarians and we joked and laughed about it, we even made expressions like "I am a Greek as much as a donkey is a horse". But in 1913 after they occupied and partitioned our country, made our identity "extinct" and forced us to accept their artificial identities we were no longer laughing; not even smiling. That was then and what was done to us then was done without our consent, but today the very same people are asking us to voluntarily "wipe ourselves out of existence". Are we that naïve and gullible and expected to commit ethnic genocide voluntarily? And for what? To satisfy the wishes of a people who pretend to be Greeks? As I have said a dozen times before, the modern Greeks are a fabricated identity artificially created by the Philhellenes to serve the needs of the Western Europeans. They are not even real! Are we going to let them push us around? Are we going to voluntarily "kill" our own real ethnic identity just for the sake of satisfying the Greek lust for falsehood and racism? Our cause here is not just noble and about saving our own identity, it has a greater meaning. It is about truth and justice and rising above the falsehoods that have been laid down over us for centuries. Every Macedonian I know wants nothing but justice and the truth to prevail, that is the only way our world can truly become just and democratic, and to live by the very same principles our ancestors in 1903 and in the 1940īs died for. Many Macedonians died in their struggle to pass on to us a decent, united, independent, democratic and free Macedonia. Are we going to let them down? Who among us is prepared to go against the wishes of our ancestors, the very same ones who gave their lives in blood-stained struggles to give us a future? Are we prepared to forget what happened to them and wipe their sacrifices off the face of the earth, and for what? What could be more valuable than freedom, a value for which so many Macedonians over the centuries gave their lives?
Have we already forgotten the meaning of the words "Freedom of death?"
If the Macedonian government wants to "tinker" with "issues" and does not want to get into trouble with the people who put it in power, then it had best learn how to inform the people and make its intentions known without committing itself to something that it will later regret. Westerners have learned from experience not to tempt fate and before officially introducing something controversial they make sure it is "leaked" to the media. If there is a positive reaction from the people (a rare occurrence) then the government can "take credit" for the idea, but heaven forbid if the idea turns out to be a "political hot potato". The government can then immediately disown it and attribute it to "rumours created by the opposition". It is a sure method of keeping the government "popular" and ensuring re-election and at the same time "de-popularizes" the opposition. I never said "politics" was decent or honest, but just a way of life in our Western modern world.
Following are the opinions of other Macedonians regarding recent events that are associated with the "name" issue:
Justice Seeker wrote:
What comes to mind immediately about the "name" is the internationally accepted principles of the right to self determination and self-identification. I donīt buy for one minute any arguments that a name change wonīt affect your identity. If that is the case, why the need for a name change? I'd still call myself a Macedonian but I would go to my grave with nightmares of Greeks reminding me unfairly and constantly that I don't exist.
If there was really a need for a "reasonable compromise", the only legitimate name that could be used is "The Republic of Macedonia" which is completely distinguishable and shouldnīt be confused with other parts of Macedonia.
Regarding the "negotiations"! First and foremost oneīs own identity is not negotiable!
Second, there have been comments on this forum that in negotiations both parties have to give up something. What has Greece given up to this day?
Let me see how the negotiations have gone thus far. The Republic of Macedonia changed its constitution, changed its flag, incurred massive economic losses because of the Greek blockades without compensation, agreed to an interim name that is insulting and contrary to UN rules, the Macedonian people waste their valuable time and emotions on protecting their identity because of brainwashed Greek racists, and all this whilst Greece usurps Macedonian lands, history, heritage, etc. And what exactly had Greece given up? Nothing! It now solidly makes the preposterous claim that Macedonia is Greek. Does that mean the Republic of Macedonia is also Greek? If we give up our name and identity what will we be?
The biggest mistake the Macedonian side has made this far is getting into negotiations with Greece on things that cannot possibly be negotiated; Greece has proven its greater experience. When you negotiate you negotiate an entire package not one thing at a time. Instead, we have seen negotiations progressing on one thing at a time and the Macedonians have been eaten alive. With such farcical negotiating, if we look at the name in isolation we are not playing in the spirit of bargaining, no matter how absurd such a proposition. And what makes you think that the Greeks will stop asking for more and more things to be "negotiated" after we give in on the name? What will be next, our identity? And what after that?
As an example, the Macedonian side should have put forward something along the following on the table; Our name is the Republic of Macedonia and our ethnic identity is Macedonian which are not negotiable! We have the right to self determination and we decide what to call ourselves. You have ethnic Macedonians living on your soil who you need to immediately recognize. If you do all this we will not sue you for the acts of genocide which you committed against us in the last 100 years. We will also forgive you for forcing us to change our constitution and flag and we wonīt seek compensation for the illegal economic blockades you imposed on us. Also we will allow you to use the word Macedonia. However as a goodwill gesture you will have to pay us 50 billion EUs for years of obstructing our progress.
I believe this is only fair. But instead of putting something forward like the above, we have allowed Greece to coerce us by tactics which are not genuine or in good faith;
Greece imposes block on UN entry, Macedonia agrees to interim agreement, now can join UN under interim name FYRoMacedonia.
Greece imposes economic blockage, Macedonia gives up flag and changes constitution, Greece lifts blockade.
Greece vetoes Macedonian entry to EU and NATO, Macedonia must change its name, no way, ok no entry for you.
What comes next? And when will Greece cease to extort more concessions from Macedonia?
About the Albanians living in Macedonia! The Albanians in Macedonia can do a lot more for Macedonia than they have up to this point. But instead they have chosen to act as pawns for Greece. Macedonia cannot enter NATO because of Greece and its high time the Albanians recognize and admit to that. Why not do something useful and pressure Albania and Kosovo to put pressure on Greece or the EU to end this Greek fiasco.
The Albanian minority should be screaming at its western friends to put pressure on Greece who is in breach of all human rights principles and international laws.
In conclusion, the issue is not simply about a "name" but part of Greeceīs long term strategy to annihilate the Macedonian national identity. They did it in Aegean Macedonia and they want to do it in the Republic of Macedonia and the rest of it.
Itīs simple, Greece does not want an independent people called Macedonians in NATO, in the EU or anywhere else for that matter, because the open border policy will effectively prove to those living in Aegean Macedonia, that they are real, decent people live in the Republic of Macedonia, people like us, not monsters as depicted by the Greek propaganda machine. That is the essence of all this.
It is with quiet displeasure I read that the Albanian minority is threatening the Macedonian government (and effectively the Macedonian people) that their patience is wearing thin about the name issue and that they will take some sort of action if this is not resolved soon. If this is true, this is not only repulsive but is blatantly an indication of the true nature of this minority and their lack of engagement with the country they live in.
I ask one simple and obvious question, why is their issue not with Greece who is the real cause of all the problems? A country that does not respect or acknowledge its minorities, a country that openly is committing genocide, a country which usurps other peoplesī history, heritage and livelihoods. Why have I not seen or heard any attack upon Greece from these ethnic Albanians who are citizens of the Republic of Macedonia?
As citizens of the Republic of Macedonia they should openly be damning Greece and not the Macedonian Government or the Macedonian people. What they are doing is nothing short of treason!
Posted by Justice Seeker on www.maknews.com/forum
Maknews wrote:
How is pressuring Macedonia to appease Greek racism a legitimate Albanian concern?
Posted by maknews on www.maknews.com/forum
Rogi wrote:
For those who contemplate a name change; Do you believe the Greeks have legitimate claims against us and accept or even support their position, agreeing that we should change our name?
Tell me, why must Macedonia change its name? What defeatist reasoning would you have to justify that?
I'm completely disappointed in people who think this way, I can only hope that those who share these treasonous and naïve views are but a small minority.
Any acceptance of any name for internal or international use, because of a dispute with Greece, is against the very principles of sovereignty and against the sovereign right of the Republic of Macedonia in its assertion of its historic name and national identity.
There is a historic dimension to this also and you seem to ignore that. You look at a name change from a purely technical view, where the name can be detached from its meaning. Any name change for Macedonia will be acceptance of the end of the Macedonian people.
That everyone naively accepts the baseless fear-mongering is indicative of their incapacity to realize the full implications and consequences of a name change and this is because those people cannot look at things from a historical perspective and in a historical context.
This is why such people are prepared to accept a name change basing their idea that 'we will still be known as Macedonians' on nothing but hope. You are playing a dangerous and risky game with absolutely nothing based on certainty - your politics stink, it is flawed and there is no reasoning, logic, plan or strategy to justify it.
Posted by Rogi on www.maknews.com/forum
Phoenix wrote:
Beware of 'Greeks' bearing gifts...Itīs no coincidence that the 'Greeks' are pushing for a geographical identifier, it has the vile ability to diminish our history, culture and language, our identity is at stake here...adopting such foolishness is akin to turning over a new leaf, to start from scratch and to abandon our past.
A geographical identifier, if adopted, will be bound by water tight legal mumbo jumbo within the straight-jacket confines of international law and will dramatically alter the way each and every one of us identifies in the Diaspora, how we name our language, our church, our cultural organizations, our social clubs, our sports clubs and every association that exists today...
For any of you thinking that a geographic identifier is the course of least resistance, you're kidding yourselves...
Posted by Phoenix on www.maknews.com/forum
Prolet wrote:
Some of you might see the "name change" as an olive branch however its more like a Trojan horse if you ask me, because the Greeks expect this "new name" to be used everywhere and our name and identity has to be changed in our constitution, our passports, our citizenship papers and a whole lot of other places.
Some say "Northern Macedonia" is better than FYROM however when you look at it the problem is deeper and there is much more to it than that, there are many hidden catches to this name which will hurt us badly in the long run.
Posted by Prolet on www.maknews.com/forum
"The modern Greeks, as we know, have no relationship to the Latins, nor for that matter with the ancient Greeks. Modern anthropology has shown that they are brachycephalous Slavs, while the ancient Greeks were dolichocephalous, which fact is sufficient to establish an absolutely fundamental separation between the modern Greeks and their pretended ancestors." ("The Psychology of Socialism" by Gustave Le Bon, page 206)
Everyone who has read this series of articles must know by now that "Greeks" are not real but an artificial fabrication designed to serve some "Western European" purpose which by now is no longer valid or required. Hellenism was a Nazi experiment to test the idea of creating a "superior race" by convincing a variety of people into believing that they are "superior", something which they are not. Obviously the existence of Greece today is proof that the experiment was a success. But thatīs just it, Greece is not real only a racist experiment, so why should we be expected to sacrifice our own real and vibrant culture for the sake of propagating and keeping alive a lie and a "Frankensteinīs monster"? Food for thought!
For those who are still not convinced that the Modern Greek identity is an artificial creation, please continue to read this series of articles.
Authorīs note:
Dear Macedonians, one way to defend ourselves from the Greek onslaught and gain back our identity and dignity is to fight back to the level to which the Greeks have reduced us; that is to attack their identity as they have attacked ours. We need prove nothing to them except to expose them as the artificial identity they truly are and to uncover their design to wipe us out in order to usurp our Macedonian heritage.
To be continued.
Many thanks to TrueMacedonian from www.maknews.com for his contribution to this article.
You can contact the author at rstefov@hotmail.com
First and foremost Macedonians must stop reacting to rumours. As the saying goes "fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me!" We canīt help how Greeks conduct their business but we can sure help how we conduct ours. Which means, as a rule, we should never "overreact" to "stories" that are not verified. And how can we "verify" stories? Well here is where I am going to make my second suggestion! Given how rumours are generated and circulated by those who benefit from them and given how Macedonians react to rumours, especially rumours about the name of their country and their identity, itīs time that the Macedonian Government "does something" to "manage" rumours. Given that most of these rumours "implicate" the Macedonian Government of "wrong doing" and given how Macedonians react to them, itīs time for the Macedonian Government to open some communication channels with its people and openly respond to its citizenīs concerns, particularly to those citizens who work for the media. Rumours and all other concerns that "drive Macedonians insane" can be put to rest simply by creating an e-mail address to take questions and a blog to post responses. Then those who have concerns can contact the government directly and get straight answers directly from the government and not from rumours circulated by our enemies.
People have certain expectations from their government and if those expectations are not managed properly, or not at all, misunderstanding can arise and lead to speculation and wrong conclusions. Like I said above, we canīt help how our "enemies" conduct their business but we certainly can help how we conduct ours.
Regarding the "name issue"; if the Government wants to be at peace with the people who elected it then it must follow what the people want and, from what I know so far to this day, the vast majority of Macedonians who feel and identify as Macedonians do not want the name touched and want the Macedonian government to break off talks with the Greeks and all other parties concerned. The name of this country is not negotiable. The name is not only historical and biblical but it is closely linked to the Macedonian peopleīs identity and history. A change in the name will lead Macedonia down the slippery slope of permanent extinction not only of the name but of the Macedonian identity itself. Just look at what happened in 1912 and 1913. We have living examples of what happened then and this was done "without" the Macedonian peopleīs participation. Imagine now what devastating effects it will have if we "voluntarily" change our name! How can history, past generations who gave their lives for Macedonia and future generations who will never be born Macedonian, ever forgive us if we rob them of their true identity? And what exactly will we be doing this for? What possible gains could we expect to receive for selling out our identity and our childrenīs future? And how would history and those who died for Macedonia label us for doing this?
In all seriousness we should not even joke about changing our countryīs name. In fact we shouldnīt even be thinking about it because such an act is unthinkable. We all by now must understand that Greece and Europe have been planning our demise since 1878 and want us nothing less than extinct. The very same people who designed Nazism and launched Germany to dominate the world created Hellenism and launched the neo-Greeks to destroy Macedonia and erase it from the face of the earth. So far they have destroyed Aegean Macedonia, donīt give them the chance to destroy the rest!
The very name "Macedonia" is a threat to Europe for many reasons, which I will not get into at this time, but most importantly everyone must understand that if we "give in", even a tiny little bit on the name, it means that we can be pushed to "give in" more, to acquiesce, to capitulate, to surrender on other things and they will push us to do this again and again until there is nothing more to "give" and there will be nothing left of Macedonia or the Macedonian people as identities. And who will we be then? And most importantly with what we will be laying claim to our fatherland, to our heritage for which our recent ancestors spilled their blood to protect and preserve for us?
In the past they encouraged us to "become" Greeks, Serbians and Bulgarians and we joked and laughed about it, we even made expressions like "I am a Greek as much as a donkey is a horse". But in 1913 after they occupied and partitioned our country, made our identity "extinct" and forced us to accept their artificial identities we were no longer laughing; not even smiling. That was then and what was done to us then was done without our consent, but today the very same people are asking us to voluntarily "wipe ourselves out of existence". Are we that naïve and gullible and expected to commit ethnic genocide voluntarily? And for what? To satisfy the wishes of a people who pretend to be Greeks? As I have said a dozen times before, the modern Greeks are a fabricated identity artificially created by the Philhellenes to serve the needs of the Western Europeans. They are not even real! Are we going to let them push us around? Are we going to voluntarily "kill" our own real ethnic identity just for the sake of satisfying the Greek lust for falsehood and racism? Our cause here is not just noble and about saving our own identity, it has a greater meaning. It is about truth and justice and rising above the falsehoods that have been laid down over us for centuries. Every Macedonian I know wants nothing but justice and the truth to prevail, that is the only way our world can truly become just and democratic, and to live by the very same principles our ancestors in 1903 and in the 1940īs died for. Many Macedonians died in their struggle to pass on to us a decent, united, independent, democratic and free Macedonia. Are we going to let them down? Who among us is prepared to go against the wishes of our ancestors, the very same ones who gave their lives in blood-stained struggles to give us a future? Are we prepared to forget what happened to them and wipe their sacrifices off the face of the earth, and for what? What could be more valuable than freedom, a value for which so many Macedonians over the centuries gave their lives?
Have we already forgotten the meaning of the words "Freedom of death?"
If the Macedonian government wants to "tinker" with "issues" and does not want to get into trouble with the people who put it in power, then it had best learn how to inform the people and make its intentions known without committing itself to something that it will later regret. Westerners have learned from experience not to tempt fate and before officially introducing something controversial they make sure it is "leaked" to the media. If there is a positive reaction from the people (a rare occurrence) then the government can "take credit" for the idea, but heaven forbid if the idea turns out to be a "political hot potato". The government can then immediately disown it and attribute it to "rumours created by the opposition". It is a sure method of keeping the government "popular" and ensuring re-election and at the same time "de-popularizes" the opposition. I never said "politics" was decent or honest, but just a way of life in our Western modern world.
Following are the opinions of other Macedonians regarding recent events that are associated with the "name" issue:
Justice Seeker wrote:
What comes to mind immediately about the "name" is the internationally accepted principles of the right to self determination and self-identification. I donīt buy for one minute any arguments that a name change wonīt affect your identity. If that is the case, why the need for a name change? I'd still call myself a Macedonian but I would go to my grave with nightmares of Greeks reminding me unfairly and constantly that I don't exist.
If there was really a need for a "reasonable compromise", the only legitimate name that could be used is "The Republic of Macedonia" which is completely distinguishable and shouldnīt be confused with other parts of Macedonia.
Regarding the "negotiations"! First and foremost oneīs own identity is not negotiable!
Second, there have been comments on this forum that in negotiations both parties have to give up something. What has Greece given up to this day?
Let me see how the negotiations have gone thus far. The Republic of Macedonia changed its constitution, changed its flag, incurred massive economic losses because of the Greek blockades without compensation, agreed to an interim name that is insulting and contrary to UN rules, the Macedonian people waste their valuable time and emotions on protecting their identity because of brainwashed Greek racists, and all this whilst Greece usurps Macedonian lands, history, heritage, etc. And what exactly had Greece given up? Nothing! It now solidly makes the preposterous claim that Macedonia is Greek. Does that mean the Republic of Macedonia is also Greek? If we give up our name and identity what will we be?
The biggest mistake the Macedonian side has made this far is getting into negotiations with Greece on things that cannot possibly be negotiated; Greece has proven its greater experience. When you negotiate you negotiate an entire package not one thing at a time. Instead, we have seen negotiations progressing on one thing at a time and the Macedonians have been eaten alive. With such farcical negotiating, if we look at the name in isolation we are not playing in the spirit of bargaining, no matter how absurd such a proposition. And what makes you think that the Greeks will stop asking for more and more things to be "negotiated" after we give in on the name? What will be next, our identity? And what after that?
As an example, the Macedonian side should have put forward something along the following on the table; Our name is the Republic of Macedonia and our ethnic identity is Macedonian which are not negotiable! We have the right to self determination and we decide what to call ourselves. You have ethnic Macedonians living on your soil who you need to immediately recognize. If you do all this we will not sue you for the acts of genocide which you committed against us in the last 100 years. We will also forgive you for forcing us to change our constitution and flag and we wonīt seek compensation for the illegal economic blockades you imposed on us. Also we will allow you to use the word Macedonia. However as a goodwill gesture you will have to pay us 50 billion EUs for years of obstructing our progress.
I believe this is only fair. But instead of putting something forward like the above, we have allowed Greece to coerce us by tactics which are not genuine or in good faith;
Greece imposes block on UN entry, Macedonia agrees to interim agreement, now can join UN under interim name FYRoMacedonia.
Greece imposes economic blockage, Macedonia gives up flag and changes constitution, Greece lifts blockade.
Greece vetoes Macedonian entry to EU and NATO, Macedonia must change its name, no way, ok no entry for you.
What comes next? And when will Greece cease to extort more concessions from Macedonia?
About the Albanians living in Macedonia! The Albanians in Macedonia can do a lot more for Macedonia than they have up to this point. But instead they have chosen to act as pawns for Greece. Macedonia cannot enter NATO because of Greece and its high time the Albanians recognize and admit to that. Why not do something useful and pressure Albania and Kosovo to put pressure on Greece or the EU to end this Greek fiasco.
The Albanian minority should be screaming at its western friends to put pressure on Greece who is in breach of all human rights principles and international laws.
In conclusion, the issue is not simply about a "name" but part of Greeceīs long term strategy to annihilate the Macedonian national identity. They did it in Aegean Macedonia and they want to do it in the Republic of Macedonia and the rest of it.
Itīs simple, Greece does not want an independent people called Macedonians in NATO, in the EU or anywhere else for that matter, because the open border policy will effectively prove to those living in Aegean Macedonia, that they are real, decent people live in the Republic of Macedonia, people like us, not monsters as depicted by the Greek propaganda machine. That is the essence of all this.
It is with quiet displeasure I read that the Albanian minority is threatening the Macedonian government (and effectively the Macedonian people) that their patience is wearing thin about the name issue and that they will take some sort of action if this is not resolved soon. If this is true, this is not only repulsive but is blatantly an indication of the true nature of this minority and their lack of engagement with the country they live in.
I ask one simple and obvious question, why is their issue not with Greece who is the real cause of all the problems? A country that does not respect or acknowledge its minorities, a country that openly is committing genocide, a country which usurps other peoplesī history, heritage and livelihoods. Why have I not seen or heard any attack upon Greece from these ethnic Albanians who are citizens of the Republic of Macedonia?
As citizens of the Republic of Macedonia they should openly be damning Greece and not the Macedonian Government or the Macedonian people. What they are doing is nothing short of treason!
Posted by Justice Seeker on www.maknews.com/forum
Maknews wrote:
How is pressuring Macedonia to appease Greek racism a legitimate Albanian concern?
Posted by maknews on www.maknews.com/forum
Rogi wrote:
For those who contemplate a name change; Do you believe the Greeks have legitimate claims against us and accept or even support their position, agreeing that we should change our name?
Tell me, why must Macedonia change its name? What defeatist reasoning would you have to justify that?
I'm completely disappointed in people who think this way, I can only hope that those who share these treasonous and naïve views are but a small minority.
Any acceptance of any name for internal or international use, because of a dispute with Greece, is against the very principles of sovereignty and against the sovereign right of the Republic of Macedonia in its assertion of its historic name and national identity.
There is a historic dimension to this also and you seem to ignore that. You look at a name change from a purely technical view, where the name can be detached from its meaning. Any name change for Macedonia will be acceptance of the end of the Macedonian people.
That everyone naively accepts the baseless fear-mongering is indicative of their incapacity to realize the full implications and consequences of a name change and this is because those people cannot look at things from a historical perspective and in a historical context.
This is why such people are prepared to accept a name change basing their idea that 'we will still be known as Macedonians' on nothing but hope. You are playing a dangerous and risky game with absolutely nothing based on certainty - your politics stink, it is flawed and there is no reasoning, logic, plan or strategy to justify it.
Posted by Rogi on www.maknews.com/forum
Phoenix wrote:
Beware of 'Greeks' bearing gifts...Itīs no coincidence that the 'Greeks' are pushing for a geographical identifier, it has the vile ability to diminish our history, culture and language, our identity is at stake here...adopting such foolishness is akin to turning over a new leaf, to start from scratch and to abandon our past.
A geographical identifier, if adopted, will be bound by water tight legal mumbo jumbo within the straight-jacket confines of international law and will dramatically alter the way each and every one of us identifies in the Diaspora, how we name our language, our church, our cultural organizations, our social clubs, our sports clubs and every association that exists today...
For any of you thinking that a geographic identifier is the course of least resistance, you're kidding yourselves...
Posted by Phoenix on www.maknews.com/forum
Prolet wrote:
Some of you might see the "name change" as an olive branch however its more like a Trojan horse if you ask me, because the Greeks expect this "new name" to be used everywhere and our name and identity has to be changed in our constitution, our passports, our citizenship papers and a whole lot of other places.
Some say "Northern Macedonia" is better than FYROM however when you look at it the problem is deeper and there is much more to it than that, there are many hidden catches to this name which will hurt us badly in the long run.
Posted by Prolet on www.maknews.com/forum
"The modern Greeks, as we know, have no relationship to the Latins, nor for that matter with the ancient Greeks. Modern anthropology has shown that they are brachycephalous Slavs, while the ancient Greeks were dolichocephalous, which fact is sufficient to establish an absolutely fundamental separation between the modern Greeks and their pretended ancestors." ("The Psychology of Socialism" by Gustave Le Bon, page 206)
Everyone who has read this series of articles must know by now that "Greeks" are not real but an artificial fabrication designed to serve some "Western European" purpose which by now is no longer valid or required. Hellenism was a Nazi experiment to test the idea of creating a "superior race" by convincing a variety of people into believing that they are "superior", something which they are not. Obviously the existence of Greece today is proof that the experiment was a success. But thatīs just it, Greece is not real only a racist experiment, so why should we be expected to sacrifice our own real and vibrant culture for the sake of propagating and keeping alive a lie and a "Frankensteinīs monster"? Food for thought!
For those who are still not convinced that the Modern Greek identity is an artificial creation, please continue to read this series of articles.
Authorīs note:
Dear Macedonians, one way to defend ourselves from the Greek onslaught and gain back our identity and dignity is to fight back to the level to which the Greeks have reduced us; that is to attack their identity as they have attacked ours. We need prove nothing to them except to expose them as the artificial identity they truly are and to uncover their design to wipe us out in order to usurp our Macedonian heritage.
To be continued.
Many thanks to TrueMacedonian from www.maknews.com for his contribution to this article.
You can contact the author at rstefov@hotmail.com
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