The poster from my article "A poster Speaks out" the very same person has been evidently hoodwinked by Smith Junta supporters, though I am not convinced he has been converted from a caring person of human rights to a cold deceitful supporter of the racist regime of Smith, in a post, that you may have seen if you went and read his other post.
The Author begins with: "I've changed my mind on the Cherokee defunding issue after talking to many people both on website comments and on email, I've changed my mind on the issue of defunding the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma."
My response begins with, I would certainly be interested in who you may have talked to that could affect an understanding of the issue you seemed to have! BTW, Thanks for the compliment on my web site, and I would like to extend you an invite to my talk forum, you can stop by and read, but to post you must register, and have a working email, this keeps out the garbage i.e. supporters of the CNOT, with their pure BS, they don't want to discuss any message, just slam the messenger, they don't want to be accountable for their babbling so they refuse to register. At this time we are averaging 2500/readers hits a day, we have nearly 100 Cherokee members registered to post.
Yes there are quite a few high blood quantum Cherokee that think as you say, not just with blacks, whites equally so, they are most assuredly in the minority. Absolutely CNOT did wrong in more than one aspect of the issue, actually it would just about involve writing a book to get it all across, I believe aside from the stripping Cherokee Citizens of their rights, the process to do so would be the next most heinous thing, which would be the petition calling for the amendment, it was totally illegal, and proven so in the Cherokee Court, but the majority of the court is/was owned by Smith.
You can read the dissent of the one judge that Smith did not control, the words of the blatant lawlessness of the Smith junta and actions of a supposed court of law, will gag a maggot, so just imagine how the majority ruling reads, I did have a copy of it, if you are interested, it should be available on the CNOT judicial web site.
And the biggest factor in the reasoning for the Vote result is, Smith's group went into the communities, and fed the elderly and young families with Children, pure CRAP, such as , do you want those Blacks sucking up all your services, taking all your commodities, taking all your kids school supplies and clothes, with comments like hide your daughters from black men, a complete Jim Crow Campaign, among the most vulnerable people, full blood Cherokee back in the sticks, who just as likely to not have a TV maybe a computer, most likely not, actually some who speak very little English no newspapers…And I know this has to be true because in the precinct where I voted, there was nothing but elderly barely able to get around, and young people with Children in the line to vote at mid-day.
A major issue with the actual vote, most every time you read or hear about the Vote to kick out the Freedmen it will be said a resounding 75% voted in favor, BUT they never say of the people that voted… We have a populace of close to 300,000 Citizens with only 38,000 registered to vote Plus about 13,000 with bad addresses and ineligible to vote.
So with respect to the populace, the actual registered to vote barely measures up to 10%
The total number that voted was 8,000, rounding the populace up to 300,000, the total of the populace that voted was 2.6%, sure the vote was 6,000 Yea 2,000 Nay, And Yes that is 75% in favor, but certainly not truth in fact, that a majority of the Cherokee support the issue by vote.
Yes adopted citizens are no less a citizen than a natural born, or one by law, via legal process of a governmental entity! With the Cherokee People, and I dare say the US Citizenship as well, blood is totally and completely inconsequential, as I said in another post, The Cherokee in 1827 gave up the concept of tribalism and became a Nation of Nationals, no different than any other Nation, even prior to that with the matrilineal form of government that Ruled/Governed the Cherokee People, blood was inconsequential, a clan mother chose to take under her wing a black, white or purple person, that person was considered a Cherokee Citizen of that Clan, and of the body politic of the Cherokee.
The most damning thing the author has said the affirms he has been sold a bill of goods by Smith supporters: He said, "the issue of threatening to defund the CNO will be seen as a threat to the survival and continued existence of the nation by many, and will I think force folks into a corner in trying to defend a bad policy. I also think it isn't fair, as other tribes have also excluded their Freedmen so to single out only the CNO isn't right."
This is absolutely incorrect, this line of rhetoric is strictly from Smith and supporters, The average Cherokee on the Street not employed by CONT, or has no family employed there will tell you the same thing I say…Cut the FUNDING the sooner the better. As for other Tribes that would be involved with such a concern are ONLY the Five so-called civilized tribes who were Slave owners…The Seminole have already been through this very same scenario, they lost all their funding at once none of the piecemeal bit, and that is what needs to happen to CONT, shut them down immediately, and the Watson Bill calls for the loss of their gaming status as well, AGAIN the sooner the better None of these funds are reaching the people they are intended to help, so what difference does it make, the crooks will leave with no funds to steal, then the people can pick up the pieces and set up a government of the Cherokee People, by the Cherokee People for the Cherokee People..
The authors suggestion of all solution ideas on the table for discussion would be a valid approach in reaching a solution if we were talking about rational and caring people, with their supposed constituents in their thoughts, we are NOT, and the most important aspect of my reasoning for this statement is, I LIVE HERE I see everyday what goes on how the People are thought of and treated by the CONT powers that be.
And the simple fact is, the only solution for the Cherokee People is the called for protection of our civil rights as is guaranteed in the Treaty of 1866.
One final Question for the author and readers Have you read the Watson Bill, line for line, corroboration for all the laws cited in the Bill can be found at cornsilks.com as well, as Watson´s Bill at the top of the page.
The only other option for the Cherokee People, is totally illegal!!
John "The Elder" Cornsilk
Cherokee CNOT Member
Purveyor of Simple Truth
The Author begins with: "I've changed my mind on the Cherokee defunding issue after talking to many people both on website comments and on email, I've changed my mind on the issue of defunding the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma."
My response begins with, I would certainly be interested in who you may have talked to that could affect an understanding of the issue you seemed to have! BTW, Thanks for the compliment on my web site, and I would like to extend you an invite to my talk forum, you can stop by and read, but to post you must register, and have a working email, this keeps out the garbage i.e. supporters of the CNOT, with their pure BS, they don't want to discuss any message, just slam the messenger, they don't want to be accountable for their babbling so they refuse to register. At this time we are averaging 2500/readers hits a day, we have nearly 100 Cherokee members registered to post.
Yes there are quite a few high blood quantum Cherokee that think as you say, not just with blacks, whites equally so, they are most assuredly in the minority. Absolutely CNOT did wrong in more than one aspect of the issue, actually it would just about involve writing a book to get it all across, I believe aside from the stripping Cherokee Citizens of their rights, the process to do so would be the next most heinous thing, which would be the petition calling for the amendment, it was totally illegal, and proven so in the Cherokee Court, but the majority of the court is/was owned by Smith.
You can read the dissent of the one judge that Smith did not control, the words of the blatant lawlessness of the Smith junta and actions of a supposed court of law, will gag a maggot, so just imagine how the majority ruling reads, I did have a copy of it, if you are interested, it should be available on the CNOT judicial web site.
And the biggest factor in the reasoning for the Vote result is, Smith's group went into the communities, and fed the elderly and young families with Children, pure CRAP, such as , do you want those Blacks sucking up all your services, taking all your commodities, taking all your kids school supplies and clothes, with comments like hide your daughters from black men, a complete Jim Crow Campaign, among the most vulnerable people, full blood Cherokee back in the sticks, who just as likely to not have a TV maybe a computer, most likely not, actually some who speak very little English no newspapers…And I know this has to be true because in the precinct where I voted, there was nothing but elderly barely able to get around, and young people with Children in the line to vote at mid-day.
A major issue with the actual vote, most every time you read or hear about the Vote to kick out the Freedmen it will be said a resounding 75% voted in favor, BUT they never say of the people that voted… We have a populace of close to 300,000 Citizens with only 38,000 registered to vote Plus about 13,000 with bad addresses and ineligible to vote.
So with respect to the populace, the actual registered to vote barely measures up to 10%
The total number that voted was 8,000, rounding the populace up to 300,000, the total of the populace that voted was 2.6%, sure the vote was 6,000 Yea 2,000 Nay, And Yes that is 75% in favor, but certainly not truth in fact, that a majority of the Cherokee support the issue by vote.
Yes adopted citizens are no less a citizen than a natural born, or one by law, via legal process of a governmental entity! With the Cherokee People, and I dare say the US Citizenship as well, blood is totally and completely inconsequential, as I said in another post, The Cherokee in 1827 gave up the concept of tribalism and became a Nation of Nationals, no different than any other Nation, even prior to that with the matrilineal form of government that Ruled/Governed the Cherokee People, blood was inconsequential, a clan mother chose to take under her wing a black, white or purple person, that person was considered a Cherokee Citizen of that Clan, and of the body politic of the Cherokee.
The most damning thing the author has said the affirms he has been sold a bill of goods by Smith supporters: He said, "the issue of threatening to defund the CNO will be seen as a threat to the survival and continued existence of the nation by many, and will I think force folks into a corner in trying to defend a bad policy. I also think it isn't fair, as other tribes have also excluded their Freedmen so to single out only the CNO isn't right."
This is absolutely incorrect, this line of rhetoric is strictly from Smith and supporters, The average Cherokee on the Street not employed by CONT, or has no family employed there will tell you the same thing I say…Cut the FUNDING the sooner the better. As for other Tribes that would be involved with such a concern are ONLY the Five so-called civilized tribes who were Slave owners…The Seminole have already been through this very same scenario, they lost all their funding at once none of the piecemeal bit, and that is what needs to happen to CONT, shut them down immediately, and the Watson Bill calls for the loss of their gaming status as well, AGAIN the sooner the better None of these funds are reaching the people they are intended to help, so what difference does it make, the crooks will leave with no funds to steal, then the people can pick up the pieces and set up a government of the Cherokee People, by the Cherokee People for the Cherokee People..
The authors suggestion of all solution ideas on the table for discussion would be a valid approach in reaching a solution if we were talking about rational and caring people, with their supposed constituents in their thoughts, we are NOT, and the most important aspect of my reasoning for this statement is, I LIVE HERE I see everyday what goes on how the People are thought of and treated by the CONT powers that be.
And the simple fact is, the only solution for the Cherokee People is the called for protection of our civil rights as is guaranteed in the Treaty of 1866.
One final Question for the author and readers Have you read the Watson Bill, line for line, corroboration for all the laws cited in the Bill can be found at cornsilks.com as well, as Watson´s Bill at the top of the page.
The only other option for the Cherokee People, is totally illegal!!
John "The Elder" Cornsilk
Cherokee CNOT Member
Purveyor of Simple Truth
